so for a Manchu game it is legitimately better to just cause the Mingsplosion and then eat all of China while ignoring the EoC entirely. In Europa Universalis IV, you control the fate of any of the hundreds of countries around the world through the maelstrom of the early modern era, from the Age of Discovery to the rise of Napoleon. It also gives you claims on all of China. Mandate of Heaven is the newest expansion for Europa Universalis IV, the best-selling historical grand strategy game from Paradox Development Studio. However if I remember correctly forming Qing doesn't require you having the EoC, just holding the required provinces and being Manchu. Somewhat sad when the EoC is something you want to pass on other people like an evil Gypsy curse or something. I did consider becoming EoC anyway just to form Yuan and then look into tricking some poor sucker into declaring a War for the Mandate of Heaven war and then just giving it to them without a fight and then working on actually getting the Back in Control achievement without the EoC. Also loosing my Horde government at that moment would almost certainly lead to me loosing a lot of my hard earned conquests, since my neighbors United Japan, Giant Mong Yang and Snaking Russia would invade and successfully steal my lands due to me not having Horde super horses to defend myself with. Since most of the nearby nations would never accept to become my tributaries, my mandate would tank a few years after becoming EoC. Being half finished with Administrative ideas, reform wasn't that far away. However I then realized there was no reason for it.
Having conquered all of China, except for OPM Emperor of China nation of Wu, I was planing to finally take the EoC. In my Oirats game, which I did right after the Ming nerfs came out.
While the Mingsplosion has been reinstated as of the last patch, any point to being the EoC has not appeared. I mean except for the +1 monarch adm stat, you can easily achieve the same bonuses as EoC with ideas, both national and otherwise. till mandate get back to 50.Ī celestial empire play-through will make you feel happy about events like comet sighted, and I mean it.ĮDIT: Yes, like Trin Tragula said below, many events do give an alternative option (the only option if you ever want to end the negative event nightmares) such as stab hit/meritocracy loss/cash loss/etc., which make the reforms extremely uneconomical in the process considering how often the bad events happen with mandate<50 for the poor bonus from reforms, but there are ones that don't like "plague" (china_events.52).
As if passing a reform with pathetic bonus at the cost of playing passively for half the game is not enough for a government form with negative modifier, there are many negative events waiting to prevent you from getting your mandate above 50 in the following fashion:įinally close to 50 mandate? Lose 5 again!Īnd don't forget the other negative events that happen in between those like stab hits, losing money, etc.
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